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Zh3sh1re
by on February 2, 2018
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With the new precedent upon traces and edits of famed artists, I feel I have to write something.
First of all, I'm not evil. I believe that artists should get their credit for the art that they create. This was never in question. However, I feel that the site has now made a precedent that resides on nothing but conjecture that is impossible to follow.
The rules, as they are now forbid any form of edit, trace or parody of a piece without the explicit acceptance of the artist in question. I can see why this is, but the practicality of the rule is simply out of scope. As this rule stands, it most likely makes a very high percentage of art on this site against the CoC.
What I have trouble with is the fact that this rule is not based upon any form of copyright, as they state in the recent site-wide message. It has absolutely nothing to do with copyright. The site is hosted in Canada and I will base my arguments upon this position, but the argument would be the same if it was hosted in the US or Europe.
Edits, traces and fanart are considered fair use in the eyes of the Canadian law. Therefore, there is absolutely no illegality going on in posting edits or traces of art of other artists. In fact, even the artists themselves cannot impose the images to be taken down. This is what fair use means and it's a staple of free speech in the western world.
The site rules forbid this form of art in favor of the artists themselves and therefore is based upon nothing but a sense of moral obligation. They are of course free to do so, since it's their site. But as I stated the practicality of the rule makes very, very many images on the site "illegal". The strike that was made against me due to uploading a traced image has set a very dangerous precedent. Anyone who has uploaded images that are based upon work of another artist without explicit permission are now fair targets in the eyes of the admins of Canterlot Avenue.
I feel that the moral obligation of the admins and users of Canterlot Avenue are overwriting the fact that the site is made for roleplay and entertainment. Not only does it damage site potential, it opens up a whole new avenue of "mini modding" which is also against the rules.
In conclusion, I feel that this rule is untenable for both practical and immersion reasons. The precedent set by the sites admins means that mini-modding will increase and damage users perception of the site in the long run. As the creators themselves have stated, the site is not meant to be a replacement for Ponysquare, which rules and laws made continual survival impossible in the end.
Sincerely, a concerned pony.
PS: I am starting a collection of artist approvals that can be referenced for any future traces or edits uploaded to this site. If you have a screencap of explicit permission to use traces or edits based upon the art of an artist, please send them to me so I can include them in said list.
Current list: https://imgur.com/a/OjDu2
The trace that was taken down...
Queen Oscura
Whats the problem if there is permission?
Zh3sh1re
Well, I especially do not see there being ANY problem if there is permission. I just disagree that the artist and every OC in a recolor or a trace is needed for it being uploaded. That's what the post was about, anyway. *Rubs neck awkwardly*
Sion the Rapadant
if there is permission then no issues at all ^~^
Ralek
There's a reason why artists generally don't like people tracing their work. The first and foremost being that you are purposefully stealing from their potential income simply in the name of 'legality'. Tracing a commission is not only saying 'Hey I get that you paid for this artwork, but it's techn...View More
Adrian Coalhopper
:point_up:
Seir
Fair reminder that just because a company has made billions and billions of something that still doesn't give you the right to steal from them because the general notion of stealing should be frowned upon no matter who's stealing or who you're stealing from. The idea that "Oh they wont' mind if I ta...View More
Nacle
That reminds me that many artists steal Photoshop, and PaintTool SAI, but say "They make millions, so it's not stealing", then whine when people reuse their art.
E
I've never heard anyone say "They make millions, so it's not stealing."
Ralek
I might be being misinterpreted a bit, I never said stealing from Apple was right, I said buying Apple knockoffs was alright. It's the same issue for apple, income they're not getting, but without the pretense of Apple actually being stolen from or losing property, which as you said is never right.
Swift Scribe
Cute picture btw
Crimson Night
This post and comment section gives me a headache..
Nacle
Deleting it will not kill the drama; Several users already ported it to their profiles to continue to stir it, unfortunately. It's like an Hydra. Kill one head, the hydra still lives.
Crimson Night
They copied this blog? uhh... goddamit. I know people like drama but still. enough is enough.
Nacle
Not the blog, but they made statuses to talk about the blog
Crimson Night
Well Maybe it'll die soon out then. I'm kind of sick of seeing it on my feed already
Queen Oscura
HAIL HYDRA
Wolfbane
On the end if Has to REALLY wanted to, can sue ever last one of us.
Silver Note
This is an interesting read, something to think of for sure.
Slurpee Hooves
This reminds me of the time JinxReload claimed he was promoting other people's Youtube channels by reuploading their videos in their entirety on his own fully monetized channel.
Nacle
The difference here being that there's no monetization on that drawing for Zesh, he doesn't make money out of it
Sorren
OH MY GOD THIS WAS DEAD. WHY DID YOU BRING IT BACK?
Nacle
Aqua commented on it so it came into my notifications :shrug:
Phoenix Genevieve
So if I walk into your house and steal your TV; it’s cool as long as I don’t sell it? I wouldn’t be making money off of it!
Nacle
Did Ralek lose his drawing ? He still sold it
Princess Bluemoon
That zebra male is thicc.
Flamango
When this mentions tracing are we talking about tracing of artwork from like deviantart or the use of bases?
Charlie
they were talking mainly about original artwork, but this is an old blog that got a ton of people riled up and didn't need to be bumped oh god
Aretes
Give me that tasty drama tho
E
The OP wants to justify stealing art. That's basically it.
Phoenix Genevieve
It’s funny because the usual response is “I don’t have money to buy art, so it’s okay for me to steal it!”
Sorren
This is old, this is dead. We literally tore this person a new asshole five times over. I want it to die. Don't listen to anything this person says.
Crimson Night
Who the fuck dug this back up?
Sorren
Fuckin, Nacle.
Nacle
Got a notification of this on the 19th
Sorren
STOP IT. IT WAS 20 MINUTES DEAD. JUST STOP.
Nacle
Nuh
Silver Note
Use the Unfollow button -3-